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March 15, 2008, 07:00:22 PM
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« on: June 29, 2007, 11:45:59 AM »

"Wash me and I will be whiter than snow..."

This is what God promises.
New starts.
Clean slates.
Washing.
Clean.
Forgiveness.

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 07:32:11 PM »

What is the view about baptism at Mosaic?
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 12:47:30 AM »

Good question...i've been wondering that as well
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 02:04:47 PM »

Hey you all here is a good overview of Baptism written by Bob Hyatt.

We see woven in scripture Jesus giving us two signs, two sacraments, two ordinances to follow. Our desire is to learn from them, experience them and be obedient to them.

Enjoy the read.

"Wash me and I will be whiter than snow..."

This is what God promises.
New starts.
Clean slates.
Washing.
Clean.
Forgiveness.

We walk through this life so weighed down with guilt and shame for what we've done or failed to do- and God comes along and lifts it off our backs... forgives us- if we'll let Him.
And we walk through this life wishing that others would feel guilt and shame for what they've done to us or failed to do for us- and God comes along and forgives us, and tells us to forgive others and helps us to forgive others... if we'll let Him.

So what's the problem?

The problem is, we just don't get it. We won't, we can't... we don't.
Is it so hard to believe that God could wash away your sins?
Yeah. Is it so hard to believe that God could wash away the sins of someone you hate?

Yeah, it is. Is it so hard to believe that Jesus Christ died, paid the price, gave His body and shed His blood for my sins and for your sins. Yeah, It is. Is it so hard to believe that Jesus Christ died, paid the price, gave His body and shed His blood for the sins of the people who hurt you, and abused you, and continue to treat you like dirt? Yeah, it really is.

And so Jesus gave us two signs, two sacraments, two ordinances- two ways to help us get it... to help us understand, and remember and see, and touch and experience and receive.

And these things are more than just symbols. They are gifts to us, acts we can see and do. They are places where God shows up in and through and around and touches us and washes us and takes some very, very abstract concepts and makes them real.  -thoughts from Bob Hyatt..

Its a really important moment in the lives of some individuals, but also has an element of involvement, responsibility and celebration that is meant to be shared.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 07:35:29 PM »

I got the whole ordinances thing...but in my time at Mosaic (3 months) I don't recall communion or baptism being observed...have I missed something?
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 09:57:41 AM »

Ah, ha, so, when do we experience the two is what you are asking. We schedule communion every 4- 6 weeks, i think our last time we had communion together was October 14.....we baptized in July and our plans are to attempt have a baptism once a quarter.

Yes, many in the Mosaic community have been baptized. Every once in awhile we want to ask "Who else?"

Baptism is a sign to God, yourself and the world that you are committed to following Christ, that you identify with His death, burial and resurrection and receive the forgiveness He offers through those events, and that you "die" to your old life and come alive to a new life as a follower of Jesus. We are working to have a June baptism, so, if you have not been baptized and would like to be or have some questions contact Gary -- gary@mosaicnashville.org  


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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 01:23:43 PM »

gotcha, that makes more sense now. thanks gary
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 01:11:32 PM »

So infant baptism is not practiced at Mosaic?
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 05:00:10 PM »

GOOD QUESTION. Mosaic as a community has quite a few moms that have had or are getting ready to have children. With that know that...

Mosaic does baptize children?

Mosaic does baptize any adult or child (usually as witnessed by his or her parents) who is able to demonstrate repentance of sin and to express faith in Jesus Christ. It was just last year that my daughter McKenna at the age of 8 was baptized.

For baptism to take place we will sit and chat and see that there is evidence that they are Christians by their profession and demonstration of faith. Mosaic does not baptize anyone (including infants) unless there is evidence that they are Christians. This practice is absolutely consistent with the teaching of the New Testament.


Mosaic does dedicate children?

As an infant, Jesus was not baptized, but was dedicated to the Lord by His parents (Luke 2:21–23). Likewise, at Mosaic we dedicate the children born into our church in an effort to rejoice with the parents as members of their spiritual family, welcome the child into the church, and commit ourselves to prayerfully supporting the family and the child in hopes that he will grow to love and serve the Lord.

May the love of God continually interrupt your day,

gary



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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 11:17:42 AM »

Ok. Additional question:

Following this line of thinking, if someone was baptized as an infant, do you then reccommend that they are baptized again as a child or an adult?

At that point, is baptism a sign of the covenant or an expression of faith?

What do you believe the purpose of baptism to be?

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« Reply #10 on: Today at 11:12:09 AM »

Wow! Continued-- great questions about the nature of Baptism, let's, see if this is of assistance.

Baptism is a sign to God, yourself and the world that you are committed to following Christ, that you identify with His death, burial and resurrection and receive the forgiveness He offers through those events, and that you "die" to your old life and come alive to a new life as a follower of Jesus.

Thus, baptism is an expression of faith, and the raising with Christ that happens in baptism happens by virtue of baptism's being an expression of faith - which infants cannot perform.

Baptism as described in scripture is an outward expression of an inner appeal to give your life to following in the ways of Jesus.

Acts 2:37-38, 41
Colossians 2:11 12

We see in see in scripture that there is a narrowing of the covenant people to those who are truly born of God, the new sign of the covenant is meant to signify that a person is indeed part of that covenant community, which is evident by faith.

A person becomes a member of the new covenant only by being in a covenant relationship with Jesus. Thus, a person becomes a part of the Kingdom of God because he has a personal relationship with Jesus—not because he has a personal relationship with his father or a family member who has a personal relationship with Jesus.

In this way, salvation is between a person and Jesus only, not between a person and his father.

Romans 5:12–21;
1 Corinthians 15:21–2

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