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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:29 pm
noir
 
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
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I think when dealing with someone else's grief and loss we have to be sensitive to what they need rather than projecting our own needs upon them. Different people need different answers.


yeah, that's a super good point, and it is well taken. hey astrotoby, i wasn't directing the 'philosophical crap' comment at you. there were a lot of other people spouting off. and i just get pissed off real easy.

if the philosophical works for you, cool. it doesn't work for me. i'd rather hear about and share experiences with people, and how that relates to staying faithful. we're all trying to seek Jesus the best way we know how.

[+] friction is good
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:45 pm
astrotoby
 
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 24
Location: earth




Absolutely.

I think discussions like this are good and helpful, and I think opposing viewpoints like yours and mine should be addressed and discussed with passion and convicion.

A little bit of friction or conflict is often what is needed to bring us to the next step in our journey, because it brings things out in us (emotions, beliefs, etc.) that we may not even know we had. It shows us clearly what we believe and what others believe, and can sometimes give us insight into a clearer understanding of what we're confused about.

At least that's how it works for me, but as I've found out, what works for me does not work for everybody. Nevertheless I think that heated conversations are valuable and we should not neccessarily be afraid to have them. Within reason of course.

It's sort of a paradox, but the truth is that with the right motivation behind it, a debate between two opposite sides can actually bring people together.

[+] dealing w/ death
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:20 pm
leslie e
 
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Posts: 5




noir,
i am very sorry to hear about your loss. i don't know what to say other than that. i am not one that can offer great words of wisdom. all i can offer is an ear. i do know that i have been there (maybe not as close to it as some) and have struggled with thoughts and questions myself. a short while ago, a youth minister that i used to work with was driving home with his wife and 3 children. a car full of uninsured and illegal aliens broadsided them, killing the wife. the youngest child was taken to a hospital and died a few days later after being giving an adult-sized dose of medicine rather than something more appropriate for a child. in planning his wife's funeral, he learned that he also had to plan for the funeral of his youngest child. i don't understand how such beautiful lives could be taken when there are so many other lives that continue living and spreading evil. 2 children will grow up without their mother. on a lighter note, one of the children asked, "when are we going to get a new mom? you sure could use some help!"

anyways....not that i have answered any of your questions. i am merely relating that many have suffered and at least we have others around to help during times of hurting. without the support of others, i'm not sure that i could continue to bear that weight myself.
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